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Formal Complaint: Admin Abuse
Incident Overview:
Date and Time: Today at approximately 16:45 ET
Game Context: Playing on the German side, assigned to a recon role.
Earlier in the day, it was established that recon units were allowed and encouraged to suppress the central HQ to prevent artillery operations. My Squad Leader (SL) and I were engaged in suppressing the artillery HQ to prevent enemy personnel from manning the artillery.
During an exchange of fire where I believed to have traded shots with my target, I received the following message:
"You have been Punished/Killed by an Admin 'HQ camping, 2nd warning'."
Complaint Details:
The core of my issue is as follows:
Additional Notes:
I was not banned, likely because I immediately joined the Discord server to explain the situation. However, the threat of banning a recon group engaged in legitimate suppression activities seems driven by malice or abuse. Our task was to suppress the HQ and its artillery potential, as requested by our team and commander, after trekking for nearly 20+ minutes across the map.
The situation suggests an admin acted based on a complaint from a player who was unhappy about being killed at the HQ. Instead of respawning at another HQ or coordinating a defense against our recon team, this player called for admin intervention. The admin, without full context and relying solely on the player's word, nearly banned four players from the server. (The other recon team was also targeted as part of the complaint)
Involved Parties:
Complainant: SaltyJ / Jake Keisei
Admin Issuing Warnings/Punishments: SPC.Gripen.J
Member Making Complaint: SGT.Mulholland.J
Supporting Evidence:
Below is a transcript of the discussion on Discord, where I joined as "SaltyJ" in response to receiving the in-game warning. In-game, my handle is Jake Keisei, and my Squad Leader was Dangernoodles9.
Please consider this formal complaint and investigate the actions of the admin and member involved.
We seek clarity on the rules and assurance that fair play is upheld in the server.
Recon NOT performing this function are often warned and banned in other servers.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
SaltyJ / Jake Keisei
Incident Overview:
Date and Time: Today at approximately 16:45 ET
Game Context: Playing on the German side, assigned to a recon role.
Earlier in the day, it was established that recon units were allowed and encouraged to suppress the central HQ to prevent artillery operations. My Squad Leader (SL) and I were engaged in suppressing the artillery HQ to prevent enemy personnel from manning the artillery.
During an exchange of fire where I believed to have traded shots with my target, I received the following message:
"You have been Punished/Killed by an Admin 'HQ camping, 2nd warning'."
Complaint Details:
The core of my issue is as follows:
- In the context of the game, it's near impossible to discern if a person at the artillery HQ is attempting to perform artillery operations or something else as they are engaging you for being in the HQ to perform your function.
- There is no means of verbal communication with the enemy team.
- According to the server rules, being present at the artillery HQ is not considered camping.
- Given these points, why is the recon squad being punished for performing a task that is inherently part of their role since the game's inception?
Additional Notes:
I was not banned, likely because I immediately joined the Discord server to explain the situation. However, the threat of banning a recon group engaged in legitimate suppression activities seems driven by malice or abuse. Our task was to suppress the HQ and its artillery potential, as requested by our team and commander, after trekking for nearly 20+ minutes across the map.
The situation suggests an admin acted based on a complaint from a player who was unhappy about being killed at the HQ. Instead of respawning at another HQ or coordinating a defense against our recon team, this player called for admin intervention. The admin, without full context and relying solely on the player's word, nearly banned four players from the server. (The other recon team was also targeted as part of the complaint)
Involved Parties:
Complainant: SaltyJ / Jake Keisei
Admin Issuing Warnings/Punishments: SPC.Gripen.J
Member Making Complaint: SGT.Mulholland.J
Supporting Evidence:
Below is a transcript of the discussion on Discord, where I joined as "SaltyJ" in response to receiving the in-game warning. In-game, my handle is Jake Keisei, and my Squad Leader was Dangernoodles9.
Please consider this formal complaint and investigate the actions of the admin and member involved.
We seek clarity on the rules and assurance that fair play is upheld in the server.
Recon NOT performing this function are often warned and banned in other servers.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
SaltyJ / Jake Keisei
[4:39 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: MP needed in HLL west [4:39 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: We have HQ campers [4:39 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I can take it [4:39 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: They are camping HQ? [4:39 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I'll give them a warning [4:40 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Name of the player? [4:40 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Yes, I gave them a warning and they are still doing it [4:40 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Jake Keisei [4:41 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Copy, I'll give them a second warning [4:41 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: And Dangernoodles9 (edited) [4:41 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: If they continue, let me know [4:41 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Copy [4:42 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I couldn't warn them... Don't know why, so I punished them and said "camping HQ, 2nd warning" [4:42 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Hope that was okay [4:42 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Probably because I'm a MPIT [4:43 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Did Dangernoodles do the same? [4:43 PM] SSG.Manser.N: Make sure you're in-game and seeing the violation yourself [4:43 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Oh shit... I don't even have HLL... I thought... [4:44 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I thought 7cav members' words had weight [4:44 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: He is still doing it [4:44 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: I saw the violation myself [4:44 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: He's killed me multiple times [4:44 PM] SaltyJ: Hey, I am in HLL 7Cav West and was just HQ Killed for "Camping HQ" [4:44 PM] SaltyJ: I am Recon, doing requested Arty suppression [4:44 PM] SSG.Manser.N: Mulholland is a SGT and can issue stuff himself as a billet NCO [4:44 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: We haven't had arty for 30 minutes [4:44 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I mean, he saw it, and I took Mulholland's word for it. Is that wrong? [4:44 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: For me? [4:45 PM] SaltyJ: We were requested by the commander to suppress that middle HQ. [4:45 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I believe this wasn't about arty... [4:45 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: It was HQ camping, right? [4:45 PM] SaltyJ: We are at the center. Should I ask the people spawning next time before they shoot me if they intend to get into arty? [4:46 PM] SSG.Manser.N: That is why it's important to get eyes on yourself; they can shoot active arty [4:46 PM] SaltyJ: So, what you're saying is, if I am in the area, waiting, and get engaged by anyone not on arty while watching the arty, I cannot defend myself in-game? [4:46 PM] SaltyJ: I will be Admin Killed, with warning? [4:47 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: I just got killed again [4:47 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: As a tanker [4:47 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I get that... But he said he was HQ camping. That has nothing to do with arty [4:47 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Trying to get a tank. That's not "just" killing arty [4:47 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Sorry for my mistake [4:47 PM] SaltyJ: Ok, so if I am recon, and requested to stop arty, and ignore that because I won't risk getting banned for being too close to an HQ. [4:47 PM] SaltyJ: No issue, right? [4:47 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Jerkoff Hardon [4:47 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: This guy is now camping [4:48 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Same situation, different player [4:48 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Also Danger Noodles [4:48 PM] CPL.Leifried.R: I'm on the way [4:48 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: YES [4:48 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: Nvm, I'm just a MPIT... I disengage [4:49 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Can I ban him please? [4:49 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: He's been warned multiple times [4:49 PM] SPC.Gripen.J: I mean, one of our 7cav members saw it... So I punished him, is that wrong of me? I don't have the game, so I can't possibly see, can I? [4:49 PM] CPL.Maco.D: Public channel not best for this context of chat [4:58 PM] SaltyJ: So, where do I post a complaint about an abuse of admin powers? [4:59 PM] SaltyJ: Or do I and the public have no recourse in this matter? [5:01 PM] CPL.Maco.D: Any complaints you can post on our website https://7cav.us/forums/5/ [5:02 PM] CPL.Maco.D: Response can take a few days. [5:02 PM] SaltyJ: No worries, I can be patient. Thank you. [5:03 PM] CPL.Maco.D: You're welcome [5:06 PM] SSG.Manser.N: Follow admin SOP, if you have met it based on your SAC training and the wiki, go ahead [5:08 PM] SGT.Mulholland.J: Copy that. Thanks for responding, fellas. |