Discord, Teamspeak, "Air" and "Ground" channel or in-game or what?!

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  1. Hamm.C

    Hamm.C Specialist Discharged

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    "Teamspeak isn't going anywhere"................BUT IT JUST DID. Do I need crayons so you can understand?
     
  2. Geki.T

    Geki.T C/1-7 Section Leader Staff Sergeant Active Member

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    I'm pretty sure there's a misunderstanding somewhere here
    TeamSpeak is and always will be our primary form of Voice Communication
    7th Cavalry Members who are in the Tactical Realism servers must also be present on TeamSpeak. That's what we mean by the fact that TeamSpeak isn't going anywhere
     
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  3. Ticknor.D

    Ticknor.D Aide to the Chief of Staff Corporal Active Member

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    I'd suggest that you don't insult members and watch your tone. @Hamm.C
     
  4. Geki.T

    Geki.T C/1-7 Section Leader Staff Sergeant Active Member

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  5. Ratcliff.M

    Ratcliff.M A/1-7 Platoon Staff 1st Lieutenant Active Member

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  6. Rosefield.M

    Rosefield.M C/1-7 Commander Major Active Member

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  7. Hamm.C

    Hamm.C Specialist Discharged

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    Apparently I hurt some feelings here...sorry. I'm settled and watching my tone, but apparently red being my favorite color is not everybody's favorite color and is somehow offensive. I am not insulting anybody...I just laid out a perfectly logical case for why segregated Teamspeak channels are hurting TAC1, in an effort to DRAW players to TAC1 (then on to TAC2 maybe if that their inclination)...not UN-attract players.

    Segregating these teamspeak channels has resulted in a complete breakdown of communications for operators on TAC1. So, I understand TAC2 has ACRE (3 different radios plus the in-game) but on the more casual TAC1, why in the world would we need a separate Teamspeak channel for air and ground when there is already in-game comms for that? This renders Teamspeak (and the SOP requirement of operators to USE it) worthless. Moreover, you are advertising discord on the home page- which is counterproductive because it muddies the water like crazy. TAC1 is probably about 95% a "gateway drug" to TAC2, so why would we want to disinterest people from our server either by making things confusing and murky?

    Further, on my post, I received many replies that said "get an MP." Well, I can send the same message as the MP's can...they just have the ability to kick people, right? Do we really want to kick people when TAC1 peaks at around 20 (on a VERY good night) but normally has around 8-10 average. ( https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/144.217.11.41:2302/ ) Just take a look at GameTracker with the aforementioned link. I'm all for enforcing the rules when egregiously violated, but why not educate people instead of alienating them?! After all, we do want more players on TAC1 than less, so why piss people off with frustration so they will just disconnect and go to a different server?

    I can't tell you how many times I've been told "so and so" needs ammo drop or "so and so needs heavy lift" or "so and so needs CAS" and when I ask where the information came from, they say something like "oh, it's on discord." So now we have third party, pass-along requests like the kid in high school that sends his best friend to pass a love-note to a girl that he likes. The communications need to be deliberate, direct and de-conflicted to avoid ROE violations and fratricide.

    Once again, I sent you this message because I was instructed to by Major Rosenfield...who ironically was in the Teamspeak AIR channel even though he stated he was an armor or infantry commander. Shots and I communicated our concerns for about an hour thinking that because of his rank of Major, he might get more traction on this issue, but he stated negative, saying he was just a commander and I needed to DM.

    To me the fix is simple as 2 + 2. On Teamspeak, we only need an operations channel. We don't need to be segregated into different groups...period. This is easily done in-game without hassle. This worked quite well in the past few years and we didn't see a communication breakdown until the channels were segregated. That's pretty much when it went to hell.
     
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  8. Vex.W

    Vex.W C/1-7 Trooper Corporal Active Member

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    If I may, throw some context about why we have the TS3 channels in to this mix.

    Back in the day, a long time ago, we're talking about 5 years ago.
    We had Tac-1's channels labeled Primary Operations, Secondary Operations, and Tertiary Operations. Now these where the OG, Original teamspeak 3 channel names. These names where put in place because the old Tac-1 mission system use to have a max of 60 players and was full from 3pm CST, to 10pm CST. During this time-frame we would have Groups, and I mean Full on GROUPS of people playing, but in separate squads. Talking to each other in ts3 (Because the in-game voice chat was disabled). This not only made squads easier to play as, but it then allowed an easier time of tracking their teammates.

    After a bit of time, people stopped coming into the Primary Ops, Secondary Ops, and Tertiary Ops channels because those people ended up joining the ranks of the Cav members we have today.

    So again, we started losing people in the TS3 channels. Eventually the channels where relabeled as they are now. To sort of... Help guide players to voice coms lobbies as to where they should expect to see players in similar roles. These coms are not meant to be a "ghetto" version of ACRE2, they're meant to separate what the Infantry/Armor assets might be talking about from what the Transport pilots and or other pilots might not need to hear. IE Pilots making CTAF calls such as "Buffalo-1 inbound to main airfield on runway 22 Right for Pad 4". Again, Ground doesn't care where Buffalo is landing, and Buffalo doesn't care where you're throwing your grenade in the AO. Hence why the channels are separated.

    As for the Special Operations channel, it should be quite obvious. The Special Operations teams do NOT go to the main AO. Therefore they do not need to hear any information about the main AO.

    Now going back to the "Back in the day" comment. We have a rule about talking about "touchy" subjects like Politics in our TS3 server. Now the Chat Lobby is utilized to talk about the Baseball game the other day, or what kind of shenanigans is going on around your own town, or even what is going on in your own life. IE Talk about buying a new car, or what broke on your car, or how you saw this cool new thing at the store, or how ACE Combat 7 released. These are all subjects that have nothing to do with the Tac-1 server and should be talked about in a separate channel. When people are flying, or shooting baddies in the AO, we don't care to listen about how you where driving 95 down the interstate in your 1995 Pontiac Fiero.

    Now as for the Discord situation, we utilize Discord as a way of faster communication not only between Cav members and our own respective duties IE Server admins, Mission creators, or even Entertainers but between the public members as well. We all have lives outside the cav, and Discord helps us keep 'in touch' when we're not at our computers. Or even if we are, it allows us to have sort of a "live" text chat with each other.

    Those players who where NOT in ts3 and where referencing Discord. Where not in OUR discord. We do not support discord as you stated, it separates the player base and the communications. Those players where more than likely in their own private discord which is not advised and depending on their role (as previously stated) is not allowed and an admin of any sort should be notified to deal with those individuals.
     
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  9. Green.R

    Green.R C/1-7 First Sergeant First Sergeant Active Member

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    Oh really? Since when does Discord support ACRE?
     
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  10. Hamm.C

    Hamm.C Specialist Discharged

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    It doesn't.
     
  11. Jarvis.A

    Jarvis.A S6 Officer in Charge Lieutenant Colonel Active Member

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    So what makes you think teamspeak is going anywhere?
     
  12. Hamm.C

    Hamm.C Specialist Discharged

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    With respect Colonel, that's my entire point! TS isn't going anywhere, but by doing this 5th grade discord stuff, it has effectively destroyed TS on TAC1. That is a fact. Some times you have to get out of the bubble and realize that good intentions sometimes result in bad results.
     
  13. Ratcliff.M

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    You need to settle down there, Cotton. Discord is not stealing anyone away from TS. I have literally seen no one in the Discord voice channels in almost it's entire existence. Discord will very likely never replace Team Speak as it stands. If you wanna talk about TS channel suggestions sure but drop the Discord stuff because you're beating a dead horse at this point lmao.
     
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  14. Jarvis.A

    Jarvis.A S6 Officer in Charge Lieutenant Colonel Active Member

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    You’ve ignored every single reply from Cav members, across multiple threads and now a PM involving the GOA. Do not try and berate me with ‘what the point is’.

    The facts are as follows:

    1. Discord is a text only form of communication mostly for Cav members. We do not have any voice channels there for the intention of gaming

    2. The ‘air’ channel for tact 1 has been around for a very long time at this point, and is there by design of the mission makers who in my professional opinion have far more experience in managing an arma server than yourself. I trust them with their work

    3. As per the Rules of the arma sever, the only people who are required to be on teamspeak are those in specific slots or Cav members. If you find situations where this is not the case, you can find an MP or admin on teamspeak and we will deal with it

    4. As per the above, we cannot force every public member to not use their own discord


    If you still fail to understand this, then find me on teamspeak and we can discuss this in person. This thread is going nowhere fast and you are making a farce of the issue by purposely antagonising Cav members and now involving the GOA whilst also suggesting you follow some sort of ‘COC’.

    Thread locked.
     
  15. Grgich.A

    Grgich.A Adjutant General Major General Active Member

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